
For a band that counts songs about abusive fathers and interracial relationships in its catalog, one might expect Everclear’s Memorial Day gig at the Naval Station Guantanamo Bay to have more than a twinge of irony. We talked with the band’s frontman, Art Alexakis, about the show, its political implications and Jesus Christ’s party affiliation.
So, how does a band go about booking a show at Guantanamo Bay, of all places?
We’ve done a lot of booking for the military, we’ve played Japan, Korea, Guam and a bunch of bases in the States, and the guy who books that kind of stuff came to us with Guantanamo Bay. Usually, if that day’s open, it’s a no-brainer, but I took a day to think about the implications of this one. Not because of what other people would think, but for me. If you check online, I’ve been pretty vehemently anti this war, have been from the beginning. I marched, did the whole thing. But I’ve always been pro-troop. I feel for people who’ve made this commitment. That’s their job to do it and I respect and honor that.
Are they going to let you see any other parts of Cuba while you’re there?
I asked them if I could go into Cuba, and they told me no. I get to go to the fence that separates it from the base. I would love to go. I want to go to Havana big time. It’s a moment out of time with all these ’50s cars driving around. You know that when the Castro brothers die, its going to turn into Disneyland over there. I wanted to see Cuba, but I also wanted to go over there to get a pulse of the soldiers that were there about what happened [in the prison]: What their family’s viewpoint on being at Guantanamo is about, and are they proud to be there? Do they think they’re doing a good thing? Are they ashamed? They’re put there, and there isn’t much you can do about it in the armed forces. I’ve got a song I’m thinking about playing there for the first time, called “Jesus Was a Democrat.”
Wow, really? What kind of ideas led up to that?
It’s actually a pretty flagrant challenge to the conservative view of Jesus. Even if you’re not a Christian, if you read Jesus’ words in the Bible, there’s nothing conservative about him. He was a full-on liberal. There’s a line in it that goes, “Jesus would be locked up in Guantanamo Bay if he were alive today.” I consider myself Christian but not in any traditional sense. I was brought up in a serious evangelical home, and always had problems with Christianity, like there was something great there, but that I wasn’t seeing it. I see why most people, especially young people, are afraid of Christians. There’s a line in the song that says, “I wonder if Jesus is as afraid of Christians as I am?” They’re scary!
How do you think it’ll go over in Guantanamo Bay, a place you cite in the song as imprisoning Jesus?
What happened in Guantanamo Bay, that was blood-chilling to me. It goes to show you that anyone can get caught up in it, anyone can be the bad guy. Any collection of people from any culture. It was sobering for a lot of people. It was sobering for me. I’ve got a daughter who’s 16, and I don’t think she’d ever go into the service, and I’d fight her if she did, but if she does, what’s my perspective then?
I’m just trying to be compassionate and put myself in the other guy’s shoes. This song is pretty angry. I think we’re in better place now than in ‘88, when I worked on the Dukakis campaign canvassing, but I was so pissed at Republicans, that conservatives co-opted the term “family values”; they made being a liberal a bad word. I’m an ACLU card-carrying liberal. I have no bones about it. I might be conservative on some things, but you’re going to tell me that to have family values I have to glom on to your way of thinking? No way!
At least now I’m not alone. The great thing about [Barack] Obama, he’s unabashedly a liberal or a progressive. Isn’t that great? Even in the Clinton administration, no one was using the word “liberal,” they were using the “moderate” word. Seems like in the last few elections, the right has pulled the left to the center, and now it seems like the left has pulled right center. [John] McCain started playing ball with the Bush administration, thinking he could ride his coattails if he got the call. Now, it’s dragging him down.
You mentioned that you had some reservations about playing the Guantanamo Bay show. What were they?
This has nothing to do with other people’s perceptions. It’s about me. My wife said that if you’re going over there for the troops, that’s the right reason; if you’re going to see what it’s all about, that’s the right reason. I have an opportunity to go to a place that a lot of people don’t go to. There is controversy there, but it’s not like I’m going to go waterboard anybody. I’m going to look. I’m going to see what they’re gonna show me. They’re going to put a glossy face on it, but my main reason is to go get people’s perspectives on what they thought that place was about.
Aside from whole torturing aspect, there’s a history there and I love history. Whenever something’s on TV about Cuba, I shush people. I’m fascinated by people living technologically out of time, and their perspectives. I think the revolution there got lost, but I’m fascinated by it and want to see how and why it went awry.
Do you think you’ll get an accurate picture of the place from your time there?
I’m going to go and be positive. I can piss people off if I try to. I’m really good at it. I don’t want to do that. You get more out of people if they feel safe and secure instead of defensive. I want to ask them, “Were you here when that stuff was going down? Is it still going down?” I’m going to ask questions, and I can ask them good-naturedly. I want to get as much info as possible. I’d love to bring my teenage daughter. Some of these kids there are only two or three years older than my daughter. I meet kids that age every day at shows.
Do you ever wonder if young fans might think differently about Guantanamo Bay if a favorite band played there, that it can’t be that bad if Everclear had a show there?
I thought of that, but of the letters I’ve been getting, I’ve only gotten four negative ones, and I think it’s all from the same guy. He’s comparing what we’re doing to going to Auschwitz or Dachau, which I have serious issues with. I’m going to provide entertainment, which is seriously important to American kids in a place where, I think it’s fair to say, most of them don’t want to be there. Those kids in Iraq, they don’t want to be there. When people ask me questions, I answer honestly. That’s what we’re all here for, to hopefully learn from each other. I’m going in with curiosity. Is it a dark, scary place, or a bright, sunny place with big, scary fences and dogs? I don’t know what it is.
– August Brown
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